tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1308216304300839969.post9196653868229199177..comments2023-10-26T19:58:16.764+01:00Comments on Cream Tea Birding: RANT TIME!Chris Townend (Jaffa)http://www.blogger.com/profile/13017435496784035951noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1308216304300839969.post-8818787027571318752010-06-08T22:53:11.892+01:002010-06-08T22:53:11.892+01:00Sorry for the lack of clarity, I was switching bet...Sorry for the lack of clarity, I was switching between subjects for examples. My main point about ringing this bird would be out of scientific interest as part of vagrancy study.Peter Alfreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06561747770128374819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1308216304300839969.post-74365380617930613982010-06-08T21:34:47.992+01:002010-06-08T21:34:47.992+01:00I think I am definitely missing something here, we...I think I am definitely missing something here, we are talking about 1 out of range very rare vagrant bird, not a population that needs conservation action ?<br /><br />While knowing where it goes would be interesting, I cannot see what this would deliver for conservation ? And tagging it in the name of conservation would be bonkers.... <br /><br />As I said before if conservation action is needed for a species, and tagging considered useful to gain knowledge, then conduct a study and take a sample of a population to learn from. 1 out of range rare vagrant in the UK is not representative of the little shearwater population !<br /><br />Sorry mate, I think we must just agree to differ on this one ! 8)<br /><br />Stringer out !!Ghost of Stringerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13731973883798167086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1308216304300839969.post-21005274410709711902010-06-08T20:08:20.180+01:002010-06-08T20:08:20.180+01:00We could say the same thing about all migration st...We could say the same thing about all migration studies- we already know a lot from observations. The ringing and remote tracking provides more detailed information- the kind of information which is vital for conservation- locating precise staging posts, exact routes taken which can be precision targeted for most effective conservation.<br />In vagrancy studies it would be interesting to track the movement of individual birds, to examine the interplay of environmental conditions and genetic determinism. For example an irruption or influx of vagrants could be a response to adverse environmental conditions/ disease etc. It could be a sympthom of a problem which needs solving.<br />Above everything else it is important to gather all information about the natural world- all the pieces join up to solve the whole puzzle. All questions should be answered. If it interesting it is justified.Peter Alfreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06561747770128374819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1308216304300839969.post-38257504029456536732010-06-08T18:37:30.214+01:002010-06-08T18:37:30.214+01:00Tracking this bird may certainly be interesting, a...Tracking this bird may certainly be interesting, agreed, but can it be justified ? What would satellite tracking a single out of range vagrant individual contribute to little shearwater conservation ? <br /><br />If we really do need to learn more about little shear movements/changes in range, would it not make more sense to tag a good sample of birds from normal range and learn from that ? <br /><br />Call me old skool, but I don’t think we need satellite tags to tell us about birds colonising new areas anyway, we know about collared dove and little egret movements from observations, we know where little shears come from, and we will surely notice if records increase here or elsewhere, what more is there to learn from a tag on 1 out of range vagrant bird ? <br /><br />I do agree it would be interesting, but all things considered, I don’t feel there is any decent justification for targeting it in this way.Ghost of Stringerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13731973883798167086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1308216304300839969.post-53361423836905828072010-06-07T20:15:25.962+01:002010-06-07T20:15:25.962+01:00I think it will be really interesting to track the...I think it will be really interesting to track the movements of this bird. I have no real personal interest in seeing it.<br />Vagrants can be precursers to colonisation events (think of Little Egrets 20 years ago)and it would be interesting to study the exact movements of indiviudal vagrants to understand more of this particular type of colonisation/ range expansion mechanism.Peter Alfreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06561747770128374819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1308216304300839969.post-44740998843134303772010-06-07T19:51:18.432+01:002010-06-07T19:51:18.432+01:00Well said Chris...
You just have to go on TURDfor...Well said Chris...<br /><br />You just have to go on TURDforum to see what all the twitching retards are already discussing.....<br /><br />I’m sure the general consensus from these ornithologically challenged pricks, is that this bird must be lamped, taped lured, trapped, ringed and tagged.... after it's crucial to conservation isn’t it..... errrr.... and their British lists I think !!..... What a bunch of utterly selfish tossers !<br /><br />It's a great find by the way, congrats !!Ghost of Stringerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13731973883798167086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1308216304300839969.post-8385222103362552412010-06-07T18:55:13.276+01:002010-06-07T18:55:13.276+01:00Well said!! It's such a shame that some care f...Well said!! It's such a shame that some care far more about their own pointless list than the wellbeing of the bird! Great find for you both! It must have been an amazing experience!Lee Dingainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13885711242063856917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1308216304300839969.post-76359604791159923322010-06-07T18:21:25.577+01:002010-06-07T18:21:25.577+01:00It would be very interesting to put a GPS thingami...It would be very interesting to put a GPS thingamijig on it. If they do- a spectator crowd at a safe and sensitive distance could be considered perhaps??Peter Alfreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06561747770128374819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1308216304300839969.post-85576816691973663802010-06-07T14:58:04.988+01:002010-06-07T14:58:04.988+01:00No surprises there Jaffa! The pager brigade will ...No surprises there Jaffa! The pager brigade will soon start a rumour than the gen is duff - afterall you haven't got a digital photo of it to prove it wuz one!!!!<br /><br />Do the Manxies on Lundy get fondled on an annual basis? And if so, should somebody happen to get this baby in the hand, could they slap a GPS thingamijig upon it?<br /><br />Nice find by the way, and I like the blog.<br /><br />Love and kisses from Bangkok<br /><br />DaveDavid Gandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10845634673231773619noreply@blogger.com